Get Your Kids Back Now – Podcast with Vincent Davis

Special Guest – Acclaimed CPS Attorney

Vincent Davis: Good morning. This is Atty. Vincent Davis. This is Get Your Kids Back Now. This show is dedicated to keeping families together and to fighting the tyranny of CPS and DCFS social workers.

Vincent Davis: Hello?
Kevin Patrick Seaver: This is Kevin Seaver, good morning.

Vincent Davis: Good morning Kevin. You’re live on the air. You called my mobile number, not the show number. Can I get you to call in — can I get you to call the show number?
Kevin Patrick Seaver: Of course you can. Hold on one second my friend. Hold on one second, let me put you on hold for one sec.

Vincent Davis: This is a guest at the 8:30 hour. Our special guest. His name is Kevin Seaver.
Kevin Patrick Seaver: What’s the phone number Vincent?

Vincent Davis: Yes. It’s area code 646 —
Kevin Patrick Seaver: 646 —

Vincent Davis: — 668 —
Kevin Patrick Seaver: — 668 —

Vincent Davis: — 8791.
Kevin Patrick Seaver: — 8791. I’ll call you right back.

Vincent Davis: Thank you Kevin.
Kevin Patrick Seaver: Thank you.

Vincent Davis: Okay. So he’s going to be calling in. He’s an attorney in Boston, Massachusetts. And guess what’s he’s an expert in? He’s an expert in fighting child protective services. So we’ll just wait for his call. I wanted to tell the listeners another short story, my producer is shaking her head no, I wonder why.
You don’t like my stories? No? All right.

She wants me to tell you about our website, fightchildprotectiveservices.com. And she wants to us — tell you about the YouTube for the YouTube and it’s Vincent W. Davis in the search bar. And she also wants me to tell you about our free book,
“The Secret How to Fight Child Protective Services and Win. You can buy this book on Amazon or call us for a free copy at 888-888-6582.

And I see that Kevin’s on the line. So I’m going to take his call.
Kevin Patrick Seaver: Hi Vincent.

Vincent Davis: Good morning Kevin. How are you?
Kevin Patrick Seaver: How are you today? How’s things in California?

Vincent Davis: You know, in Los Angeles County, California, it is cold and raining.
Kevin Patrick Seaver: Define cold and rainy for me then I’ll tell you what it’s like in Boston, Massachusetts.

Vincent Davis: Oh, you know, it’s like about 50 and raining. Now it’s real cold.
Kevin Patrick Seaver: It’s — yeah.

Kevin Patrick Seaver: It’s awful.
Vincent Davis: So I’ve been, you know, keeping them in my prayers. But what I’d like you to do first
—
Kevin Patrick Seaver: You’re a good — you’re a good man.

Vincent Davis: Thank you. Thank you. What I want you first is tell our listeners who you are, what you do, and how you do it. And then I’m going to ask you some questions. Kevin Patrick Seaver: I should try. Sounds terrific.

With that said, it’s been a really — as the grateful dead say, “Strange long ride” and it’s been a lot of fun with some ups and downs and some insides and outs and a lot of learning, some mistakes, sometimes I bumble, mumble, stumble but all-in-all, it’s been a very, very, very worthwhile experience.

Vincent Davis: Good. Good.

Kevin Patrick Seaver: You’re kind. Thanks Vince. Well, I’m at 8 Whittier, W-H-I-T-T-I-E-R, Place, Putin-L-A-C-E, I’m in Suite 1A, that’s in Boston, Mass, 02114. My phone number, 617-263-2633.

So when people are in trouble, I try to serve them. My personal cellphone is 617-749-8400. My website is seaver, S-E-A-V-E-R,dcflawyer.com, that’s seaverdcflawyer.com. And I welcome calls from everyone and anyone and I try to help as many as I possibly can.

Vincent Davis: That sounds great. Do you have a Facebook group that you also have?
Kevin Patrick Seaver: I belong to a bunch of different Facebook groups Vincent. And the reason for that is that great ideas don’t come from a single source.

Vincent Davis: Very good. Favorite group that you post in frequently?
Kevin Patrick Seaver: Not really.

Vincent Davis: I agree with you wholeheartedly. Kevin, do you do any civil rights cases against social workers in your area?
Kevin Patrick Seaver: Oh, you just struck a cord. You just struck a cord Vincent. I’m looking to do two things in the year 2019, three of them and the third one is personal, I want to get down 185 pounds and I’m working on that and that’s a daily struggle I’m sure many of us have with our weight.

But the second thing I want to do is I want to write a book about how to successfully fight DCF and I love what you mentioned in your book Vince and I want you to say it again so everyone hears your book when I’m done with this because I want to read it and I’m looking forward to reading it.

And the third thing I want to do is I want to take DCF when they’re wrong and many times they are absolutely correct in what they do but at times they are wrong and, again, they’re mere mortals, human beings, and they have flaws, blemishes, and imperfections. I want to see DCF in 2019 at Federal Court because I’ve got some cases where they’re really just not done the right thing. Matter of fact, they’ve done harm to families.

And I look at children and representation of children and therefore their families like the hypocritical the doctors take in quotations, “Do no harm.” And I see DCF whose role to protect families and therefore their children do harm at times. And I think it’s egregious when they violate and more importantly break intentionally the law.

Vincent Davis: Well those are good goals. It sound like my goals for 2019. I’m [0:32:44 inaudible]
Kevin Patrick Seaver: Well I want to hear your goals Vincent, what are they? Tell us all. Inquiring
minds want to know.

Vincent Davis: All right. One of my goals is, you know, to get help here and to lose weight. I’m trying to lose about 40 pounds. Hopefully, in a year from now, you’ll look at a picture of me and wonder, ‘Who’s that guy?And my second goal — my second goal is I want to write a new and different CPS book. And I also want to update the book that I first wrote.

I didn’t realize this but someone told me this the other day, the book that I did write I wrote in 2015 and it’s 2019 already and I think my book can use and probably does need to be updated, so that’s one of my other goals. And the third goal that I have for 2019 is to try to help us many people with a DCFS or CPS problem.

” And that was always — when that happens I’m always, you know, like, scratching my head.
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Kevin Patrick Seaver: And you know what’s crazy too Vincent? You know what’s crazy, everything you have is free and I say to clients all the time, “Can you beat free?” And all of a sudden there’s a big pause and a silence and hesitancy on the phone. And the answer is captain obvious, you can’t beat free. But I do — it just perplexes me when people — and in fairness to some of my clients, I’ll ask them, “Do you have a learning disability? Are you dyslexic? Are you able to read the website?
Because if you’re not, then you go to Plan B which is watch all the videos. You an listen.” And it gives great information, that’s true on your websites.

I applaud your efforts, Vince, in helping people in California with your free resources. It’s commendable that you offer pro bono assistance as well. Many in our field should follow your example. You became a lawyer for a reason, and I’m proud of your dedication. Your commitment to providing free videos and books for education is truly admirable.”

Vincent Davis: You know, that was — you know, I — what I found though is there is a large percentage of the population who don’t trust free.
Kevin Patrick Seaver: Well, you know — you know Vince, they can — they can read the website and watch your videos and read your book and they should make up their own decision. And then they can call your office and you’ll give them a sit down where they can, you know, see the real deal.

Vincent Davis: Right. You

Kevin Patrick Seaver: Well, I had a case this past summer —

Vincent Davis: Where do you start?
Kevin Patrick Seaver: I had a case this past summer and DCF came out on a Wednesday and they were claiming that, you know, my client had sexually abuse their own children and another child. And on Thursday [0:39:27 inaudible] allegation had been filed and at Wednesday, the clients had early intervention in their home which I made it to reporters and they closed the case saying the family didn’t need any further services.

Then on Friday, they took the children to their yearly doctor’s appointment where the doctors had examined the children from top to bottom, inside and out. And then they learned the following few days later that there was these allegations.

And, you know, the Department of Children and Families, DCF, you know, made these ridiculous allegations and we sent in the medical and the early intervention saying, you know, “This is just not true.” But they would not hear this. So they continue with the case and we never got the reports from them which is obviously a violation if we do process rights, if you’re going to be accused of something, you should be able to see what the accusations are or the allegations.

Had another case Vincent where, you know, the young child, age six years old, went to school and all the kids were telling stories and she told a story how her mother had thrown her on the bed, well physical abuse. She immediately had the mother take the child to the pediatrician, interview the child independent third party, pediatrician’s then made a reporter, third party who was beyond approach, isn’t going to lie for anybody, child’s perfectly fine, no marks, no bruises, nothing, zippo, nada. Now I go to the house and sit down with the child and the child is just absolutely positively lovely.

She does ballet, she does taps, she does Irish step dancing, she sings, she, you know, cheerlead, she doesn’t have any other sign, very busy, very active child, excellent, outstanding grades, parents, very well educated. But this child was a pleaser, what do I mean by that? Everyone talks to her like an adult, children want to please adults. She would tell you the moon was purple if an adult asks her is the moon purple just to please the adult.

So it wasn’t a question of the child due to her tender age lying or not telling the truth, she’s just a pleaser and there were times where you got to understand what is a context of what’s going on here and no one really asked her, you know, the questions in the right frame and sat down to her. So every time she told a story, it makes her look like she’s got psychological problems. Now, DCF is coming to us saying, “Well you’re going to have this child psychologically evaluated.

Now let’s take it even step further Vincent, being Catholic as I am and, you know, I am who I am, I’m an Irish Catholic from Boston, big surprise being Irish and Catholic from Boston but, you know, we teach our children all about Christmas and Santa Clause and Mrs. Clause and the elves will make gifts all year round, and Rudolph “The Red-nosed” Reindeer and all the reindeers and we teach them how it goes on one night, December 25th, and goes all over the world and goes down the chimney with presents for all the children throughout the world. What we’re essentially doing is lying to our children. We also tell them about the Easter Bunny, “Here comes the Easter Bunny up and down the
bunny trail and he brings chocolates on Easter.

We also tell him if you lose your teeth what do we do? You put your teeth under the pillow or your tooth and you get money. We lie to our children. Then when they lie to us we’re all — like why did you have to lie for? Big surprise and it was I get from DCF all the time. “Well come on, come on Kevin, children always tell the truth. “You know, I let them off the [0:44:07 inaudible] because nothing but the truth and I just say how contraire. It’s not true, that’s not factual, that’s not the way it is.

So for my vision of your point, those are some of the interesting cases that I’ve been working on Vincent. They come in all types of sizes, all types of nationalities, creed, color, race, you name it, you know, I’ve represented people from, you know, the most prestigious doctors and lawyers in the State of Massachusetts to, you know, lowly prostitutes that have been crack addicted, you know, it runs the whole gambit, there’s no in between. There’s a lot in between I think.

Vincent Davis: And your state is the ETF Systems Date Court County Administrative. Kevin Patrick Seaver: That’s a great question. They got different area offices. And they were in like the more heavily populated area like for example we’ve got one in Fall River, New Bedford, we’ve got one in Taunton, Massachusetts, we’ve got one in Brockton, we’ve got the central office which is in Boston over at 600 Washington Street, Boston Mass, 0211. We’ve got offices in Cambridge, you’ve got some in Framingham, office in Whitinsville, bunch of different offices in Boston. You got on in Chelsea, you got on in [0:45:24 inaudible]. So they’re strategically located all over the state of Massachusetts.

Vincent Davis: Is a parent entitled to a jury trial in Massachusetts?
Kevin Patrick Seaver: Well you’re striking all the courts today. You’re striking all the courts today. You know Vincent, one of the reason I wanted to write the book and I’m going to write the book is because I’m a great consumer of history and you can do two things with the past of history, you can either learn from it or repeat the same mistakes.

And we have this incredible town up on the north shore of Boston, one of my favorite place in the whole wide world especially around Halloween, you’re probably going to guess what it’s called, Salem, Massachusetts. And it had the same as Salem witch trials in which 20 people were killed and even — they even killed dogs because they thought they were possessed. Those trials were held behind closed doors, tried with very little if any evidence, there was no records or documents of these proceedings after the fact and it was no jury trial.

Now to me, one of my many bugaboos about the system and this is why I believe the system needs to be reformed and I hope it will be and I hope that politicians will listen and learn and understand which many of them are not in the system, they don’t understand it, does that make sense? And what happens is that, you know, if we have an accident today in our car and unfortunately somebody gets
hurt, you go to court.

You go to court and you file a civil lawsuit and you have the right to a jury. The same thing with a proper dispute or any type of dispute you basically have. But when it comes to family matters such as probate and family court, you get a divorce or let’s say juvenile court, you’re not entitled to a jury.
And the evidentiary standard in Massachusetts and across this great country of ours according to the Supreme Court of the United States, when it comes to, you know, supporting cases for child abuse is much lower than it is for a regular civil case.

So you got different evidentiary standards and that brings me to another point that’s buggable in mind is that to me when a parent’s rights are terminated and they lose their children, Vincent, that is again to me a felony without parole because if your right to terminated and your children are adopted out from underneath you, you will never in some cases see that child again. That to me is a death penalty.

Now in Massachusetts which has the same state 1972 that voted for George McGovern over Richard Milhous Nixon, you know, that liberal blue state over there on the, you know, the Coast, we pride ourselves in saying we don’t have the death penalty. And I always say how contraire because you’ve got termination federal rights which to me is the death penalty. Now, that death penalty when it’s instituted in court is what is called clear and convincing evidence, it’s not a standard beyond a reasonable doubt, it’s the criminal standard when you’ve got a murder trial.

And I just think the evidentiary standard’s lower and they can terminate your federal rights and that to me is a kin to a death penalty. And no one talks about it, that’s the part, it just absolutely blows me away that no one talks about. You don’t get a jury trial, it’s a lower evidentiary standard and what in God’s green grass earth is more important than your children.

And to me there’s nothing, there’s nothing more important than your children and yet we treat our parents with the stain and disgust an disappointment, and we give them a lower evidentiary standard, we don’t have a jury trial, the right to a jury trial and is tried behind closed doors and I know they say, “Well, we got closed doors [0:49:07
inaudible] for children. Who are we really protecting this by having things behind closed doors?

Vincent Davis: I don’t think it’s the children.
Kevin Patrick Seaver: Nor do I. Nor do I. I think if the press could come in and see what’s going on, I think we’d have a hell a lot better system, okay? I really do. Because then I have, you know, a newspaper guy watching to see whether I go visit my child in unemployment Massachusetts to make sure he’s going to school, get his IEP plan because what we’re doing, we put kids at the foster care and this happens all the time and I — and I tell parents, “If there’s parents out there, please, please, please I beg you, start early, don’t hesitate, ask for help.

‘Those are my three rules with everybody: start early, don’t hesitate, ask for help.
Get your children out of foster care, I don’t care if you stick them under your bed in a shoe box, I don’t care if you’re going to stick them with a friend, a neighbor, or a family member, get them out of foster care because I equate foster care and I’ve met many nice foster parent, don’t get me wrong, and I don’t want to throw them under the bus but let’s be real, I attribute foster care to like renting a car.
And I always ask people all the time especially parents, “Have you ever rented a car before this?”

Oh, all the time Kevin. I said, “Okay. Did you ever take that car in the car wash?” “Oh, positively no.” I said, “Why not?” “Well, I don’t know then.” Well, it’s the same thing with foster parents. There’s not the same vested level of interest Vincent in my humble opinion. And, again, I don’t want to throw foster parents under the bus, I’ve met some dynamite foster parents but let’s be honest about it, they’re not as vested as if it was their own child, okay? And I’ve been to foster homes where the kids are fed brand X cereal and their own children are getting Wheaties. And that’s just not a good scene and foster children are absolutely positively treated differently in some regards in some houses.

And in other houses, I’ve seen foster parents they treat them unbelievable, they treat the kids fantastic so it runs the whole gambit but who wants to take that chance of getting and not getting a good foster home? Okay. Because the studies have shown that you’re going to more likely be abused when you’re collected on the foster home than they are in a parent’s home. That’s fact.

Vincent Davis: I agree with that and I see that in — here in California many, many times. People everywhere love their children and will do anything for them, whether in Boston or California, Russia, Poland, Italy, or Ireland. Mankind is similar in many ways across the world, and I’ve witnessed this through my experiences and speeches on abuse.

Abuse is abuse is abuse.
Neglect is neglect which is neglect. But how is that system? How is it step up? And I find a huge problem we have in Massachusetts is what one office does in Boston different in your office for DCF in a different part of the state, there’s no constituency, does that make sense? As much as you try to make it uniform, it’s not.

Vincent Davis: Makes sense.

Vincent Davis: No, you’re absolutely right. you know, the — in California

they’re trying to make it consistent but people are people —
Kevin Patrick Seaver: Good luck. Good luck.
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Kevin Patrick Seaver: Because we don’t come to our biases. And we all come with our biases and, you know, upbringings and your culture. I mean, you know, being an Irish Catholic from Boston is totally different in some when it’s a Muslim. And that doesn’t mean that I’m better or the Muslims are bad, it’s just we’re different. But instead of putting our differences down, we should revel and celebrate them.

Kevin Patrick Seaver: I’m sorry? Sure, it would be my pleasure. Navigating through the DCF investigation process can be complex, and understanding your rights is crucial for any parent or guardian involved.

Vincent Davis: Give us your contact information —
Kevin Patrick Seaver: It’s Kevin Seaver, S-E-A-V-E-R, it’s beaver take away the B and beaver putting an S, you get Seaver. I’m at 617-263-2633. My personal cellphone is 617-749-80400. I can be reached at [email protected] or [email protected] . And my website is seaverdcflawyer.com, again, seaverdcflawyer.com and I wish you Vincent and your staff and all the nice people out there in California all the very best and good luck to the Rams tomorrow. Go Patriots.

Vincent Davis: Kevin, thank you very much for being a guest. We’re going to be calling you back, maybe we’ll make you a regular guest in this show.
Kevin Patrick Seaver: And do — and do I get a bet with you that if the Rams win I got to buy you an LA Rams World Championship hat and if the Patriots win you’re going to buy me one? How’s that for a bet?

Vincent Davis: Consider it a bet.
Kevin Patrick Seaver: All right my friend. We’ll speak soon.

Vincent Davis: It is a bet. All righty.
Kevin Patrick Seaver: You’re the best.

Vincent Davis: Bye-bye.
Kevin Patrick Seaver: Bye-bye Vincent.

Kevin Seaver is an experienced, trusted lawyer who successfully represents clients against DCF from Boston, Massachusetts. Call Kevin at (617) 263-2633 or request a Consultation online!

You find yourself in this situation, it’s advisable to seek legal representation from a qualified attorney, like those at the Law Office of Kevin Seaver, who can advocate for your rights and guide you through the complex process of a DCF investigation.

Remember that the ultimate goal of DCF is to ensure the safety and well-being of children while supporting families in crisis.

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Kevin Patrick Seaver is a Massachusetts DCF Defense Lawyer who represents parents against false child abuse allegations.

Massachusetts DCF Defense Lawyer Kevin Seaver has been successfully fighting false child abuse allegations since 1991.